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« on: January 25, 2011, 12:02:20 pm »

"The Radio Patriot" is a flat-out liar

There's a program on Blog Talk Radio called, "The Andrea Shea King Show." Its host, who goes by the nickname of "Radio Patriot," has on her web page a kicky little picture showing her playing "dress-up like a real-life journalist:" she's wearing a hat with a "Radiopatriot PRESS" card stuck in the hat band. Very old school; we don't wear those kinds of things anymore. (Although it would be pretty cool. But I digress.)

Anyway, as you can imagine, "The Radio Patriot" is a Birther site. And on Jan. 21, 2011, Ms. King had on as guests Greg Lakin, the brother of (soon to be ex) Army LTC. Terry Lakin, and Marco Ciavolino, trustee of a fund raising effort for Terry Lakin. Terry Lakin is the (soon to be former) Army doctor who 's serving three months in a military prison after he was convicted of a charge of missing a movement, and plead guilty to a charge of failing to report to his superior officer. Lakin, also a Birther, claimed that he couldn't deploy to Afghanistan until he knew for sure that President Obama was Constitutionally qualified to serve as Commander in Chief. Of course, he did that after he took his taxpayer-funded leave prior to his deployment.

As it was learned during his court martial, another soldier had to deploy in his place, on short training, and wreaking havoc with his personal life. But stuff like that doesn't matter to Birthers, so long as they get what they want.

One of the "proofs" Lakin wanted was a copy of Obama's original long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, even though Hawaiian officials have said they are not issued anymore, and created the Certification of Live Birth in their place. Obama's non-compliance with their demand is their evidence that he does not have one from Hawaii, and was really born somewhere outside the U.S. (Of course, even if he did show it, that wouldn't satisfy Birthers, but that's another entry.)

Anyway, this King woman has a call-in segment to her program, and one of her callers was a fellow who identified himself as "Spackle," but who also goes by the handle Foggy. He's a denizen of a Birther-truth forum called The Fogbow (h/t to him for giving me the heads-up on this). In his call, Foggy noted that Terry Lakin's daughter was born in Hawaii -- which Lakin's brother confirmed -- and asked if the almost-former LTC had tried to get her long-form birth certificate.

Greg Lakin allowed to how his brother had tried to do so, but was unsuccessful. Greg Lakin even said he tried to get one in person, but the office was closed. (It was a Friday, and state offices in Hawaii were closed every Friday to save money.)

Here's a transcription of the conversation, as it happened, and here's a link to audio:

Foggy: Hello, can you hear me?

ASK: Yes, we hear you loud and clear.

Foggy: OK. Just checking. I'm "Spackle" in the chat room. And I have a question for Greg, which is, doesn't Terry have a daughter that was born in Hawaii?

Greg: He does. He was at Schofield Barracks for many years, at the military base there as a physician. His daughter was born in Hawaii ...

Foggy: So I'm wondering why ... it probably would have made his appeal to the public more powerful if he had gone ahead and gotten a long form birth certificate for his daughter. If he could order one today, y'know, like everybody wants Obama to do, and pay ten or fifteen bucks to order the long form birth certificate, and then show it to people and say, "I got my own daughter's long form birth certificate, how come Obama can't get his?" Did he ever try that?

Greg: You know, he did, and I actually ... he tried to do it through the mail, and I actually tried to do it personally when I was over there, because I've spent time in Hawaii too, and the Office of Vital Statistics was closed that Friday.

But I will tell you that he's ... as a physician over there, he's seen numerous birth certificates, and that Certificate [sic] of Live Birth is something he'd never seen before, nor is it a birth certificate.

And then he personally signed off on ... he's been the delivery physician, not in Hawaii but at Fort Bragg ...

Foggy: Wait a minute. Are you saying the Certification of Live Birth is not a birth certificate?

Greg: I'm saying it's not the original birth certificate, or a copy of the original birth certificate.

Foggy: No, it's not. It's not. I agree with that but I mean ... in any event, so he never actually did pursue it and try to get a copy of his own daughter's long form birth certificate.

Greg: You know, I honestly can't answer that. I know she has one. I know she has one, just like all birth certificates, you know, all birth certificates that I've signed have location and doctor's name and other people ... they have information on them. And so I know that his daughter has one. But yeah, no I don't know if he's personally got one or could do that, in any type of ... Would it be compelling evidence? I think you're probably right.

Foggy: I just posted a link in the chat room. And if you go to that link, the Hawaii government state website says you can't get a long form birth certificate any more1 ... even if ... and that's a link to a program they do for Native Hawaiians, y'know, ethnic Hawaiians, that if you're more than 50% ethnic Hawaiian, they try to help you with all kinds of programs, it's called the Hawaiian Homelands Program.

And they say they prefer the long form birth certificate if you have one, but they explain on the website that they don't give them out any more, and that if you don't have your long form birth certificate right now, if you apply for a birth certificate, you're gonna get a COLB, a Certification of Live Birth, just like the one that Obama published, and that's why I was wondering, the state of Hawaii ... that even for people they're trying to help because they're ethnic Hawaiian, if they can't get a long form birth certificate, and if Terry couldn't get a long form birth certificate for his own daughter, then how is President Obama supposed to get a long form birth certificate for himself?

Greg: Right.

ASK: Well, that's a good question. Yeah.

Greg: Well, I think that's something that's fairly recent within the last few years, because it's always been ... before ... y'know I understand we've all gone to electronic records now, but ...

Foggy: Right. In the state of Washington, the only birth certificate that you get is a little card that fits in your wallet.

Greg: Um hm.

Foggy: And I live in North Carolina, and in North Carolina all you can get is a short form birth certificate too. So I just don't understand how President Obama could get ... unless they put him above the law that says that you can't get a long form birth certificate any more. I don't see how he could possibly get a long form birth certificate.

Marco: Andrea, this is Marco, let me just address that, because we're getting in the last few minutes, there's a few more things to cover.

ASK: Yep. Yep.

Marco: This is one of the issues, and I appreciate your comments in fact I think it's a very clever idea, but what we're missing is that the birth certificate is just part of the equation. As Greg just indicated, it's not even the physical sheet of paper, though everyone's expected to have one in this country ...

Now something strange happened to that conversation from the time it occurred to the time Andrea Shea King posted a recording of it on her program's web site: it shrank by a few minutes!

And oddly enough, the part that's missing is the salient point of Foggy's comment. Here's a transcript of what you'll hear if you listen to the archived program (audio):

Foggy: I have a question for Greg, which is, doesn't Terry have a daughter that was born in Hawaii?

Greg: He does. He was at Schofield Barracks for many years, at the military base there as a physician. His daughter was born in Hawaii ...

Foggy: So I'm wondering ... "I got my own daughter's long form birth certificate, how come Obama can't get his?" Did he ever try that?

Greg: You know, he did, and I actually ... he tried to do it through the mail, and I actually tried to do it personally when I was over there, because I've spent time in Hawaii too, and the Office of Vital Statistics was closed that Friday.
But I will tell you that he's ... as a physician over there, he's seen numerous birth certificates, and that Certificate [sic] of Live Birth is something he'd never seen before, nor is it a birth certificate.

And then he personally signed off on ... he's been the delivery physician, not in Hawaii but at Fort Bragg ... I know she has one, just like all birth certificates, you know, all birth certificates that I've signed have location and doctor's name and other people ... they have information on them.

Marco: Andrea, this is Marco, let me just address that, because we're getting in the last few minutes, there's a few more things to cover.

ASK: Yep. Yep.

Marco: This is one of the issues, and I appreciate your comments in fact I think it's a very clever idea, but what we're missing is that the birth certificate is just part of the equation. As Greg just indicated, it's not even the physical sheet of paper, though everyone's expected to have one in this country ...

So, not only did she edit out Greg Lakin's admission that his brother couldn't even get a long-form birth certificate for his own daughter, she completely changed the context of the comment! She took what was really a question challenging Lakin's case, and made it into a statement supporting Lakin! (Don't believe me? Here's a link to the archived program. The relevant part starts at about minute 46. You can fast-forward by pushing the "right" arrow on your keyboard.)

As a side note, it's important to point out that Laking went ahead with this ridiculous cause even though he probably knew, from his own experience, that Obama could not get a long-form birth certificate. I've no doubt that Lakin is a smart man, you don't get to be a surgeon and an officer in the US Army (usually) otherwise. But I've said it many times before, some of the smartest people I know have zero common sense.

I've seen some willfully dishonest stuff in my life, but this ranks at the top of the list. Andrea Shea King, you ought to change the type on your phony press card to "Birther Propagandist." You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but I know you're not. How nice it must be to travel through life, free of the troublesome burden of a conscience.

Keep the faith.

http://www.examiner.com/birther-movement-in-national/the-radio-patriot-is-a-flat-out-liar
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 12:14:00 pm »

  PUT THIS IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT BLACK LION...YOUR OWN BOY ABERCROMBIE ADMITS THAT LITTLE BARRY DOESN'T HAVE A BC IN HAWAII !!!!
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 11:15:43 am »

Really tbolt?  He really said that?  Sorry, epic fail again for you....


Mike Evans: Hawaii's Gov. Neil Abercrombie 'never told me there was no [Obama] birth certificate'

A celebrity journalist made a shocking claim recently that the governor of Hawaii said there is no Obama birth certificate - but now says he was misunderstood.
Radio personality Mike Evans told KQRS-FM in Minnesota on Jan. 20 that Gov. Neil Abercrombie, recently sworn in as the "The Islands of Aloha"'s top executive, admitted that no record existed of President Obama having been born in that state.
Claiming that he and Abercrombie had been friends for "decades," Evans stated, "Neil promised me that when he became governor he was going to cut through all the red tape. He was gonna get Obama's birth certificate, once and for all, and end this stupid controversy."
Abercrombie has since backed off his boast that he would prove Obama's birth this week, since Hawaii law prevents personal information such as birth records to be released.
Evans went on to tell KQRS that he talked "with Neil's office, Neil says that he's searched everywhere using his power as governor" at the two hospitals Obama was likely born at in 1961 - Kapiolani Medical Center and Queens Medical Center - only to come up empty.
"There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii," Evans claimed he was told by the governor's office. "Absolutely no proof that he was born in Hawaii... now [Abercrombie] admits, publically, that there is no birth certificate."
Evans now says it was all a big misunderstanding.
"This I can you tell you is 100% fact," he told Fox News. "Neil never told me there was no birth certificate... I never talked to him."
Evans told the Daily News in an e-mail that he was "STUNNED!" when his statements appeared in headlines nationwide.
"I NEVER knew I said it until I heard it," he wrote, adding that he feels "embarrassed" by the entire incident. "NO MORE POLITICS FOR ME!!" the entertainment journalist said. "For now on, I'm sticking with Lindsay Lohan and Snookie stuff."
Evans told the News it was an online article with a misleading headline that had caused him to even call Abercrombie's office.
The article cited an interview the governor had done with the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, during which he mentioned Obama's birth certificate.
However, while the article "suggests" the governor said he could not find the birth certificate, he never makes any such statement in the Star-Advertiser interview. In fact, he indicates that a record of Obama's birth does exist.
"It actually exists in the archives, written down," he said, although it is unclear what kind of record he is referring to.
Evans indicated that one portion of the article's final paragraph sparked him to call Abercrombie's office. It states:
"Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center has any record that Obama was born there."
Adams has stated in the past only that he was "told at the time" that there was no birth certificate. However, even he believes Obama is a citizen.
"Since Obama does have a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii... he was born a U.S. citizen," he said in a TV interview.
Evans' comments kicked off a series of reports that have fueled the fringe "birther" movement, which has claimed since 2008 that President Obama is not eligible to be commander-in-chief. Their conspiracy theories suggest he is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was a British subject, and also claim Obama was really born in Kenya or Indonesia.
Obama made his certification of live birth public in 2008, and even Congress stated in 2009 that he was born in Hawaii.
Legislation dubbed the "Birther Bill" was re-introduced in Arizona earlier this week directed specifically at Obama, which would require anyone looking to get on presidential ballot in the state to produce a long-form birth certificate.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/27/2011-01-27_journalist_i_never_spoke_with_hawaiis_gov_about_obamas_birth_certificate.html
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 08:17:09 pm »

No need to be so longwinded!

To be eligible aka OBAMA has to have been BORN on AMERICAN SOIL (JUS SOLIS) with NO COMPETING CITIZENSHIPS, which necessitates AMERICAN FATHER AND MOTHER (Jus Sanguinis)...hence the world "NATURAL"

Having then proven (which HE CANNOT) to be "Natural" and Eligible, he would have to use his LEGAL NAME!

We know point blank he was ADOPTED and named BARRY SOETORO.

He has a SSN under the name BARACK OBAMA

That SSN is NOT HIS OWN but one, it seems, to have been resurrected before Computers and digitalized files from someone born in 1890 in CT.

What we DO HAVE, which is NOT A FLAT OUT LIE, but, rather, a TRUTH, is that AMERICA is in a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

Why do you think THREE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES were NOT AT aka OBAMA's State of the Union Address?

Still DON'T KNOW?

ASK CDR KERCHNER...a little googling or, better yet, IXQUICKing, will give you the answer...

WE have become DISFUNCTIONAL AS A REPUBLIC and MANY GOVTs ALREADY KNOW what AMERICANS all are FINDING OUT!
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